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floParticipantHi,
I trying to do some noise measurements with the SA44B.
Measurement setup:
Photodiode (with BIAS) connected to an preamplifier (Femto DLPCA-200, AC filter, 500kHz Cut off frequency, gain 1E3 V/A, 50Ohm). The Femto converts the current to an amplified voltage. Output of the Femto connected to SA44B.Setting Spike Software:
Trace: Type: Average
Acquisition: Video Units: Power
Detector: Average
Bandwith: RBW Shape: Flat Top
RBW:10Hz
VBW:10Hz
REF Level: -50dBm
Start: 1Hz
Stop 200kHz
Spur Reject: Off
Gain/Atten: Auto1. Question: When I substract the gain of the Femto. For example: I measure -120dBm. The real value of the photodiode would be -150dBm. (Gain 1E3 equivalent to 30dB)
Or have I to transform the measurement first in V/sqrt(Hz) and then transform it to A/sqrt(Hz) by deviding with 1E3I did it like here:
https://signalhound.com/support/forums/topic/unit-conversion-equations-dbmhz/
First from dBm to dBm/Hz than dBm to dBW and than to Voltage.2. Question:
A spectrum analyzer using log power averaging displays a random noise signal 2.5 dB below its actual value. For more information refer to Keysight Application Note 150, Spectrum Analysis Basis, August 2006, 5952-0292.
http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5989-5742EN.pdfDoes this have to applied to the measurements made with the SA44B?
Thanks for helping
Flo
Justin CrooksModeratorFlo,
1) If I read that correctly, the gain of your amplifier is 1000 volts per amp. So I would think you would convert the SA44B noise measurement to volts per rt Hz, and then use this as your noise measurement (mA/rt Hz because amp output is 1V per mA input).
2) You are using power averaging, so there is not a 2.5 dB correction to apply.Also, please note that if your gain was 1000V / V, this is actually 60 dB of gain, not 30 dB. (20 dB gain = 100x power increase = 10x voltage gain)
floParticipantHi Justin,
thanks for replying.
Yes the gain is 1000 volts per amp.For example:
-120dBm to V/rt Hz than using the gain 1000V/A to get A/rt Hz???_(???/??)=?_???−10 log(???) [-120-10log(10)]
?= (√(10^((?_???−30)/10)∗?))/???? (rt(10^((-130-30)/10)*50OHm)/1000V/A
I = 5E-10A/rt HzIs this the way to do?
BR
Flo
AnonymousInactiveHi,
Iam planning to do Noise figure meter using spike software..can anyone of you please explain the test setup and parameters to change in spike software
floParticipantHi likhil,
connect the photodiode or DUT to a current/voltage amplifier (transimpedance amplifier) the output of the amplifier, should be ac or use a dc blocking element, connect to the Signalhound.
etting Spike Software:
Trace: Type: Average
Acquisition: Video Units: Power
Detector: Average
Bandwith: RBW Shape: Flat Top
RBW:10Hz
VBW:10Hz
REF Level: -50dBm
Start: 1Hz
Stop 200kHz
Spur Reject: Off
Gain/Atten: AutoBR
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